that is th free exercise of religion, applies to these companies that have principles that the owners of these companies have religious convictions and to force or compel someone to violate their conscience is exactly what the free exercise clause of the constitution of the united states was designed to prevent. and this is turned that upside down. i think the obama administration just needs to go back and rewrite their exemptions here. and that would solve this problem. this could be handled administratively. so far the obama administration, president obama's administration has no desire to do that. that's why we're in court. bill: i understand you're looking for delay on this, but meantime us does the company pay the fine? >> they don't have to until the fine is assessed. i used to work with treasury. the question will be when will the actual fine be assessed against the company. that's where i think the department of justice and the department of labor should hold back and wait until the cases are adjudicated. bill: which reached -- >> most of the cases go in our favor, i understan